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The following is a personal statement I made to the Pan Aryan National Front this evening and does not reflect the views of any other Iranian Aryan National Front members.

I welcome your feedback - positive and negative. This of course was a personal decision and I can elaborate more if you're interested.

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Hail,

I was a member of this board some four years ago or so (time flys) - I think the join date on my profile was a server change or something. In any event, I think this board was mostly positive without its fair share of conflict, within and from without. As you know, this is unfortunately the apparent signature of our cause whether you are a National Socialist / Racialist / Nationalist, the common element is a greater than necessary infighting on multiple fronts.

I have always attempted to minimize this but not always succeeded. Some time ago - about two years, some colleagues and I founded the Iranian Aryan National Front, largely to express our hostilities towards islam openly, which we consider our number one enemy. But also, we have our own view of Aryanism - which is not to challenge the widely held view here or elsewhere - it is simply or own which tends focus on the descendants of Scythians and Sarmatians.

I also attempted to create a complement to what was going on at PANF and unfortunately there were some personal matters regarding the Pan Aryan Alliance off-shooting, and if you are familiar with this kind of thing, it is hard to maintain allies when your allies are fighting.

In any event - as I had expressed to Diablo in an email - I believe, and think you would agree, that we are largely outnumbered. Regardless of what nations you choose to focus on, and who you associate with most closely, our enemies are quite common and see little distinction between us. That applies both to nationality and to ideology. We have entered the era which Magda Goebells feared most - and the world of today is quite exactly why she chose to end her life and those of her children in the last days of the Third Reich - the inability to imagine a world without National Socialism.

Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of that imagination, it is our reality and I'm sure you are equally concerned for the future of your children and the prosperity of our race and the legacy which we are obligated to pass unto our progeny.

For this reason - I would like to extend an apology to any individuals who have taken offense from any conflicts of the past. We are by nature wolves - and anyone familiar with the animal, understands that they are not infalliable. While nobility has been associated with them, they are capable of cruelty to their own, in the process of selection, banishment and strengthening through purging.

Please feel free to contact me if there is anything you would like to discuss from days past - I offer my alliance and friendship and hope to make a positive step forward, as every day that passes presents a greater challenge for the sustainability of Aryanism of nobility most pure.

Kind regards,
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Post Icon Posted: Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:36 am

Hell I wrote out a long thoughtful post but then I said to hell with it and scrapped it.Twice I scrapped my thoughts!!



I`m supporting you in this endeavor,but...............................................

something about this guy sets off my alarm bells.Watch your back.




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Post Icon Posted: Nov 22nd, 2009 at 04:08 am

Well your instincts are right. Looks like they already deleted the post.

Very unfortunate and not what I would have expected.
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Post Icon Posted: Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:04 pm

HAH - he even deleted the thread I put up which was just a link to the Russia.ru documentary on the 8/8/8 war in Ossetia.

I guess he can't look passed personal matters that happened years ago. Not very professional and disappointing to say the least, although indicative of why I guess that board fell apart.

Good distinction of Aryan in action versus solely Aryan in name.

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Post Icon Posted: Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:02 pm

yeah, I thought this post would fall on deaf ears, but I didn't want to post anything to discourage you from trying because it was worth a shot. Just from talking to PANF members ages ago I knew they aren't on the same wavelength as us. I mean we have a common root in Aryan culture, race, and history, but moving forward our thoughts diverge (some PANF members aren't even moving forward IMO).

1) We were/are tired of having our Iranian Aryan identity questioned. Sure you cannot say there has never ever been a single non-Aryan (by race) to settle in Iran. But all evidence shows that the numbers are very limited, small enough to be absorbed without affecting the genetic gene pool, and the evidence shows that the emigration of Iranians out of Iran has had more of a genetic impact on its neighbors then vice versa. Also there has been significant immigrations to Iran from the Caucasus nations and southern Russia that certain "Aryanists" conveniently ignore. Plus no other society (at least developed, civilized society) has been cut off from everybody else throughout history. Not too mention that many of the countries in Europe and North America have had large waves of non-Aryan immigrants, yet we don't see them as being any less.

2) We don't sit around and assume we are superior just because our skin pigmentation is relatively light or we were born into a race or family. We don't assume being Aryan makes you entitled to anything. That would put us on the same level as certain subgroups and lobby groups in this country who feel that they should be entitled to everybody else's money

3) We realize the culmination of Aryanism is the esoteric, ancient, and progressive nature of their belief structure and their methods of raising an individual's consciousness as well as their embrace of knowledge and learning. This is part of the reason why we reject the religious nature of abrahamic religions, because of the damage they do to the expansion of consciousness and the restrictions they put on peoples' and society's development.
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Post Icon Posted: Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:18 pm

Well, I do have a opinion on PANF, but in its good to say in general that pages like PANF, eNAT, PAA, Stormfront, Skadi, Podblanc, Stirpes...(I've been posting or reading in those for several years now) are doomed to failure.

People who had clear image of what Pan Aryanism should look like, were the Pan Aryan Alliance, and I was a member of their staff for some time, but evetually there came a moment when the admins decided to draw a line and just erase everithing they had accomplished so far... and now that board is gone.

Contrary, PANF is just some weak copy of all those other sites, and with no doubt the weakest of all. Whereas Stormfront Skadi and Stirpes are steady forums with constant members, although they often share some simply wrong opinions, the PANF is a disaster.

I don't really have any feelings towards PANF, except that I don't share their view of aryanism and I don't accept most of the people writing there as aryans. The fact that most people avoid PANF is indicative of the level of discussions...

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In reality, most of the above mentioned web pages don't help us at all. Especially in Stormfront, and in Stirpes, there are infiltrated people who regularly follow what is posted, and often interfere in the discussions to take them in a desired by them direction.

Its also imposible for one to have white unity, despite the common enemies, as in reality white is not something significant that defines us. I certainly don't feel brother with all the other whites around the world, but only with the other ARYANS. Sure... this view I have developed for several years of examining the relations between the nationalists in different nations. And so - the only brothers of my nation could be people racially similar to us...

Time will show that the so-called white nationalism is going to fade away... The white nationalists are right in their moto that

Only race matters

but the differences between the white subraces are quite too big to be ignored. Maybe we were one, once 20 000 years ago, or maybe not(its not proven that we were)... but even if we were, we have developed ourselves differently...

I could search for brothers not among any others but the Aryan nations and ethnic groups, and only in those who share similar racial appearance.
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Lol, I've written far too much, I guess I was in the mood. Cheers everyone Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Nov 23rd, 2009 at 08:58 pm

I agree with both of you on those all good points.

I have absolutely no patience for our racial credentials being questioned anymore - least of all from people who have an unclear view of their descendancy from an Aryan tribe, a major reason why it is in disfavor with those who focus on "white nationalism" versus any substantive racial term. The worst is Stormfront, with the most absurd assumptions and attempts at justifications I have ever heard.





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Nov 21st, 2009 at 09:52 pm, SoarAndEnvision wrote:
The following is a personal statement I made to the Pan Aryan National Front this evening and does not reflect the views of any other Iranian Aryan National Front members.

I welcome your feedback - positive and negative. This of course was a personal decision and I can elaborate more if you're interested.

Quote:

Hail,

I was a member of this board some four years ago or so (time flys) - I think the join date on my profile was a server change or something. In any event, I think this board was mostly positive without its fair share of conflict, within and from without. As you know, this is unfortunately the apparent signature of our cause whether you are a National Socialist / Racialist / Nationalist, the common element is a greater than necessary infighting on multiple fronts.

I have always attempted to minimize this but not always succeeded. Some time ago - about two years, some colleagues and I founded the Iranian Aryan National Front, largely to express our hostilities towards islam openly, which we consider our number one enemy. But also, we have our own view of Aryanism - which is not to challenge the widely held view here or elsewhere - it is simply or own which tends focus on the descendants of Scythians and Sarmatians.

I also attempted to create a complement to what was going on at PANF and unfortunately there were some personal matters regarding the Pan Aryan Alliance off-shooting, and if you are familiar with this kind of thing, it is hard to maintain allies when your allies are fighting.

In any event - as I had expressed to Diablo in an email - I believe, and think you would agree, that we are largely outnumbered. Regardless of what nations you choose to focus on, and who you associate with most closely, our enemies are quite common and see little distinction between us. That applies both to nationality and to ideology. We have entered the era which Magda Goebells feared most - and the world of today is quite exactly why she chose to end her life and those of her children in the last days of the Third Reich - the inability to imagine a world without National Socialism.

Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of that imagination, it is our reality and I'm sure you are equally concerned for the future of your children and the prosperity of our race and the legacy which we are obligated to pass unto our progeny.

For this reason - I would like to extend an apology to any individuals who have taken offense from any conflicts of the past. We are by nature wolves - and anyone familiar with the animal, understands that they are not infalliable. While nobility has been associated with them, they are capable of cruelty to their own, in the process of selection, banishment and strengthening through purging.

Please feel free to contact me if there is anything you would like to discuss from days past - I offer my alliance and friendship and hope to make a positive step forward, as every day that passes presents a greater challenge for the sustainability of Aryanism of nobility most pure.

Kind regards,
S+E


I have been kind of out of the loop and I don't know what started all the tensions between DB and PAA and IANF but I have a feeling that DB might have gotten mixed up with a dangerous girlfriend who might have been a bit of a trouble maker. Her posts just seemed a bit strange to me and there was something that seemed a little odd about her.
Anyway, I noticed that the moderation of PANF really started to deteriorate badly in it's last days and then one day it was just gone. I don't know if DB had health issues or what happened to him. I strongly suspect that a troll was unknowingly make into a moderator or otherwise somehow got access to the PANF admin PWs. I do give DB credit for introducing the Pan Aryan idea to a lot of naive people who otherwise would have never seen the light. DB took a lot of abuse on forums like Stormfront for defending the Aryan identity of Persians and others. So, whatever he did, I think he deserves some credit for defending the Pan Aryan idea from detractors. I am a little worried about what ever became of him. He seems our enemies hate the Pan-Aryan idea even more than they dislike forums like Stormfront. Every other Pan-Aryan forum I know of has disappeared down the memory hole. It makes me doubt that it has been by any accident or by chance.


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Post Icon Posted: Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 pm

why is it that the National Socialist have no universal party, its always NS of ... .Why waste time playing drama games. Even the communist had their Fourth International. Make new party, create a committee in which all other party leaders are included, elected a fuhrer and unit us. Is that what Hitler wanted, Unity?
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Post Icon Posted: Jul 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 pm

One reason is that nationalism is often nation specific and you have bordering nations that sometimes share lineage hating each other. There are many in Eastern Europe that display this.

Aryan Unity I think was always an NSDAP goal and greater vision (with an internal heirarchy many argue.) I have always stood for the cause personally.
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Post Icon Posted: Jul 24th, 2010 at 12:14 am

Maybe it's because we always associate National Socialism with racial identities, though i like the idea; maybe it is time we give National Socialism a new face, a new identity, an identity in which not only all Aryan populations and nations can associate and sympathise with, but also other nations with different racial identities, such as africans, easter asians etc; this identity would be a universal one. Now you may say "but we are superior, it's biologicly supported and blah blah blah", but it's not a matter of being true or false it's a matter getting what you have aimed for, maybe we can't reach our goal of unity through our racial superiority; "the end justifies the means". Now this "universal national socialist identity", true or false, could many, I'll give you some examples. Let's say we are the Aryan race and we are superior to all, Arabs, Africans, Jews etc., but instead of hating and killing them we feel responsible for them, unlike Hitlers philosophy. You see a father is superior to his children, but doesnt kill them, he feels resposible for them and takes care of them. Humans are superior to cats and dogs, are they not? but we dont kill them, we feel responsible for their being and we care for them, and at certain times and situations yes we maybe have to deal with them brutally. And you could say "we aryans always had this sense of resposnsibility in us, just look at the flags of Aryan nations, Nazi Germany, Roman Empir, Persian Empire, Russian Empire, all had symbols of falcons and eagle, which fly in the sky (superiority) and look down and watch and guide other race". So you get the overall picture. Damn i talked so much, lost my self there hehe.
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