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Several scholarly works have been made on this subject, as well as many cognates from Armenian/Iranian languages to Croatian.

The Iran Chamber Society provides this:

Identity of Croatians in Ancient Iran


[Quote]To date, 120 Croat and non-Croat university professors and several academics have compiled 249 research works of which many have been printed in various publications and thereby have proven that Croats are of Iranian origin.

There are many real evidences about the identity of ancient Croats which all dismiss the theory that Croats are of Slav origin. Although research works on the Iranian origin of the Croats could not be publicized due to the censorship that was widely practiced at the time of the former regime in Yugoslavia, however, the available documented evidences reveal that the initiator of the effort on research about the Iranian origin of the Croats lived two centuries ago.

In his thesis in 1797, the researcher made a study on the Iranian origin of the Croats and reached the conclusion that the present day Croats migrated from the western part of ancient Iran.

Following the formation of Yugoslavia in 1918, the bigot Slavs known as the "wolves" collected the original copies of the research work and destroyed them in an attempt to conceal the truth about the Iranian origin of the Croats. To date, only some part of the research work that has been quoted in a report prepared by the academy of sciences of former Yugoslavia in 1938 is available.

One of the articles has quoted some police reports that the then government in former Yugoslavia mounted pressures on Iranologists within the period 1918 to 1990. The article further proves that upon official instructions by the then government, Croats had to be considered as the middle ages Slavs. For this same reason, all the research works conducted over the origin of the Croats were considered as criminal acts and thus prohibited for a period of 70 years. All the research papers compiled by Iranologists were confiscated as documents against state interests and the researchers were imprisoned or sent to detention camps. Even four researchers were killed by the Yugoslav secret police for making investigations over the issue.

However, there are other research works proving that 75 percent of the Croats are different in origin from the Slavs and more similar to Kurds and Armenians from genetic point of view. On the other hand, studies show that there are less similarities between domestic livestock, poultry and plants in the old time Croatia with those in Europe, lending further proof to the fact that Croats had most probably migrated from a region close to Asia to their present area.

Former Croat homeland and their migration
A manuscript dating back to 1370 B.C. has named the present day Croats and their language as Hurrvuhe (resembling Hrvati).

In the era of the Achaemenid, especially at the time of Cyrus II and Darius I, the name of the eastern Iranian province Harauvatya and the Croats of the ancient Iran Harauvatis and Harahvaiti have been mentioned for 12 times. In addition, two unearthed manuscripts belonging to the Croats living in the second and third centuries B.C. in ancient Iran have referred to the inhabitants of Horooouathos and Horoathoi. In the year 418, the Aryans were dubbed as Horites and Zachariasrhetor, in 559 the Aryan horse riders were referred to as Hrwts who lived in the vicinity of Krima and Azova and in the 7th century Croats were called as Slavs.

Other articles offered to the symposium discussed formation of the empire at the time of Cyrus the Great, history of the Croats in ancient Iran and Croat's development from the time of ancient Indians to the time of their migration in the middle ages from the Caucasus through ancient Persian to the present Adriatic and emergence of the first traces of Croats which could be classified as follow:

* Harahvaiti and Harauvati in Iran and Afghanistan
* Hurravat and Hurrvuhe in Armenia and Georgia
* Horoouathos in Azova and the Black Sea
* Present day Croats Horvati and Hrvati along the Adriatic

First contacts between old-time Slavs and Croats of ancient Iran
Research works have been conducted on the relationship between the language spoken by the Croats and the language the present-day Slavs speak with an aim to identify the possible similarities. However, the studies do not dismiss the possibility that the old-time Croats were part of the ancient Iran at the time of the Persian Empire who later migrated to Europe and their language was changed into the Slav.

Meanwhile, studies on the Croats indicate that the old-time Slavs did not share the same race with the East European nations and that with the migration of the Croats with the Iranian origin, they established common cultural and lingual ties with each other. [/quote]
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Post Icon Posted: Dec 30th, 2006 at 06:33 pm

Intresting, apparently we have another addition to family of Iranian peoples, our Croatian brothers and sisters. I have heard the Croatia is a beautiful country, I would like to visit former Yugoslavia someday and see some of the nations.

Zagreb capital of Croatia:









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Post Icon Posted: Mar 3rd, 2007 at 01:47 pm

A friend of mine was in Croatia last year and when she told the locals that she was Iranian, they hugged her and said ”we are cousins”. But I don’t think that the “Cyber Croatians” would assume that they have Iranic origins. And that is for the same reasons as Europeans who won’t accept Iranians as their racial relatives: Ignorance and prejudices caused by TV and other mass Medias.
Sure, there are the linguistic evidences on the Iranian origins of Hrvatska but still most Croatians online do not want to believe that they are related to a “middle eastern race*” Smiley because they seriously believe that Iranians are some kind of Arabs /exotic people or something like that. Those who refute the genetical evidence are the same people who think that Iranians are only linguistically linked to the Europeans and Caucasians. They often forget this:



*a common term amongst ignoramuses online. Just like “fruit race” or “pencil race”. There is no such thing as “middle eastern race” and Iranians are NOT EVEN MIDDLE EASTERN… gosh I’m tired of that type of brain-washed-TV-camel-fixations-Iraq-war-Ahmaqinejad assumptions!
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Post Icon Posted: Mar 3rd, 2007 at 05:51 pm

I experence that ignorance often in the United States where the media has unlimited control. The vast majority of the uneducated population, believe Iranian is another term for Arabian. They also believe 99% of the propaganda perpetuated by the mass media about Ahmadinejad and the Iranian people. Educated individuals assume that when Sassinad Persia fell, that was the Cessation and Dissolution of Persian culture and only a few remnants remain today. One course I took I think it was called "AP world history" tought that the Iranians left minimal impact on history. It is depressing to see such ignorance... Smiley

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Post Icon Posted: Oct 5th, 2007 at 02:15 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_on_the_origin_of_the_Serbs

The Iranian theory of the origin of the name 'Serb'
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Post Icon Posted: Oct 13th, 2007 at 06:02 pm

Serbs and Croatians could never accept this, because they imagine that ISLAM=TURKS=EVIL=IRANIANS=DESERT=ARABS=MIDDLE EAST etc.
These types of associations that they have are all obvious prejudices, but don't even try telling them that the word Croatia is Persian and that Croats are of Iranic origins. They'll laugh at your face. They don't care about facts anymore. It seems nobody does...

"Thanks" to Islam, we'll never get the truthful historical appreciation and recognition we deserve. Gosh… for everyday that passes, I increasingly abhor this religion

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Post Icon Posted: Oct 14th, 2007 at 06:59 am

Oct 13th, 2007 at 06:02 pm, HyrcanianPrincess wrote:
Serbs and Croatians could never accept this, because they imagine that ISLAM=TURKS=EVIL=IRANIANS=DESERT=ARABS=MIDDLE EAST etc.
These types of associations that they have are all obvious prejudices, but don't even try telling them that the word Croatia is Persian and that Croats are of Iranic origins. They'll laugh at your face. They don't care about facts anymore. It seems nobody does...

"Thanks" to Islam, we'll never get the truthful historical appreciation and recognition we deserve. Gosh… for everyday that passes, I increasingly abhor this religion



u right friend,
but i have some yugoslavian friends some are open-minded those who arent are mostly too much caring about religion and dont wan t to consider people in iran for instance who can hate islam more than they can hate this..
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Oct 13th, 2007 at 06:02 pm, HyrcanianPrincess wrote:
Serbs and Croatians could never accept this, because they imagine that ISLAM=TURKS=EVIL=IRANIANS=DESERT=ARABS=MIDDLE EAST etc.
These types of associations that they have are all obvious prejudices, but don't even try telling them that the word Croatia is Persian and that Croats are of Iranic origins. They'll laugh at your face. They don't care about facts anymore. It seems nobody does...

"Thanks" to Islam, we'll never get the truthful historical appreciation and recognition we deserve. Gosh� for everyday that passes, I increasingly abhor this religion

Serbs and Croatians at first consider themselves as SLAVS (and neglecting that on each other became their entertainment - they HATE each other Smiley ) and Slavs, like I wrote in other subject, are mixture of Southern Balts and Sarmates. It's just a theory that, for example, Poles are "more Baltic" (although our great great great ... grandfathers had a little different point of viev about that - look for: SARMATISM , if you'r interested) and Serbs are "more Sarmatian" Slavs. We all concider to be "just" Slavs and we're damn proud of it. Smiley

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Post Icon Posted: Oct 16th, 2007 at 01:10 pm

You are right that Serbs and Croats are two very different people. Serbs are slavic and therefore they ar not aryan. The croats in contrary are ARYAN and here is one material on their common origin with bulgarians. We bulgarins had a ruler called Horvat.
Former Croat homeland and their migration
A manuscript dating back to 1370 B.C. has named the present day Croats and their language as Hurrvuhe (resembling Hrvati).
In the era of the Achaemenid, especially at the time of Cyrus II and Darius I, the name of the eastern Iranian province Harauvatya and the Croats of the ancient Iran Harauvatis and Harahvaiti have been mentioned for 12 times. In addition, two unearthed manuscripts belonging to the Croats living in the second and third centuries B.C. in ancient Iran have referred to the inhabitants of Horooouathos and Horoathoi. In the year 418, the Aryans were dubbed as Horites and Zachariasrhetor, in 559 the Aryan horse riders were referred to as Hrwts who lived in the vicinity of Krima and Azova and in the 7th century Croats were called as Slavs.

Other articles offered to the symposium discussed formation of the empire at the time of Cyrus the Great, history of the Croats in ancient Iran and Croat's development from the time of ancient Indians to the time of their migration in the middle ages from the Caucasus through ancient Persian to the present Adriatic and emergence of the first traces of Croats which could be classified as follow:

* Harahvaiti and Harauvati in Iran and Afghanistan
* Hurravat and Hurrvuhe in Armenia and Georgia
* Horoouathos in Azova and the Black Sea
* Present day Croats Horvati and Hrvati along the Adriatic

As you see iranic tribe Harahvaiti followed EXACTLY the same road of migration of bulgarians(see the other thread)


and here is how serbians had created the fake "serbo-croatian language:
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Iranology and old-tine language of Croats
Studies show that there had been various stages in which the Croats had been pressured for accepting the language of the Slavs and annexation to former Yugoslavia. The idea was realized by the Serb nationalist Karadzic whose slogan was "Serbs everywhere". He invited all bigot Slavist Serbs to the Vienna Congress in the middle of the 19th century for a political and lingual consensus and for adopting policies for the future of former Yugoslavia. In the aftermath of the agreements reached in the gathering and from 1890 the pro-Karadzic Slavists launched their activities for the elimination of all signs of cultural and lingual differences between the Serbs and the Croats. To this end, they changed the past history of the Croats and eliminated all the terms with Indo-Iranian roots that did not exist in the Serbian language. Such a trend continued until 1918 when Yugoslavia was formed. "


the tanais stone found in 2nd century on the river Tanais on the Azov Sea.
back then the territory was inhabited mainly by bulgarians who still didn't had a separate coutry(only in 6th centuury they make a rebeliion against the turkic tribes)

now for the ruler of Great bulgaria - Horvat
"The question of the origin of the Pereschepino treasure was brought forward again recently by the Munchen archaeologist and historian Joachim Werner. He relied on the decipherment of the Greek monograms of the two golden rings from the treasury, made by W. Seibt, a philologist from Vienna. Seibt red the inscriptions as: 'To Hovrat' (
) and 'To Hovrat the patrician' (), which made Werner believe that the rings as well as the whole treasure belonged to khan Kubrat."
and see the thread for pereshchepina

the inscription is on the golden ring of Khan Horvat the ruler of Old Great Bulgaria
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Post Icon Posted: Oct 19th, 2007 at 03:05 am

The Croatian Coat of arms is a sure proov that Croatians are ARYAN NON-SLAVIC People


the earliest found is in Iran

then the first found in Europe was from a bulgarian goleden threasure

and the earliest found in Croatia was from 11 th centry in split

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a song worshiping the white-red chessboard. Symbol of the aryan victory over Serbs both in 1941 and 1991 when Croatia became independent from the serbo-communist-slav yoke


and the message of croats to serbo-slavs.
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this is a map of the distribution of the I1b gene - aka - the croat gene

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In human genetics, Haplogroup I1b (S31) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup. Its subclade I1b1* is typical of Croats and Bosniaks


As you see its most common in Croatia and Bosna, and then in Ucraine/moldova(red Croatia). It is also strongly presented in Bulgaria and the bulgarian Macedonia(FYROM).
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Post Icon Posted: Oct 27th, 2007 at 10:44 am

SCHOLARS ASSERT CROATS ARE DESCENDANTS OF IRANIAN TRIBES

ZAGREB, Croatia, Oct 15, 2000 (Hina)

"Finally, it has scientifically been proven that Croatians are of Persian origin," exclaimed triumphantly representatives of a scholarly society for the study of Croatians' descent (ZDPPH) last week.

Nedjeljko Kujundzic, the head of the society established in 1992 for just the purpose to help endeavours aimed at "the promotion of the truth about the Iranian descent of Croats," held a news conference last Wednesday when he presented 'final' evidence on this matter. Last Friday, a book entitled "Indo-Iranian Origin of Croats" by writer and historian Mate Marcinko was presented as well.

Two society members, Ivan Biondic and Andrija-Zeljko Lovric, toured Iran last July. There they saw a plaque called "Tablet from Tanais", and heard, as they say, a dialect which resembles the Kaikavian dialect of the Croatian language.

Biondic explained that in the end of the 19th century two stone tablets were discovered with Greek inscriptions of ancient Croat names from the Ancient port of Tanais at the Sea of Azov. The tablets, which date back to 2nd and 3rd century B.C., have early Croatian ethnonyms - Horoathos, Horauathos and Horvathon.

The society's president Kujundzic said that the 'tamburitza' - a Croatian folk instrument - was also preserved in its original form by certain Iranian tribes.

According to him, Swedish geneticists have confirmed, in 75 percent of cases, that Croats are of Iranian origin.

Biondic added that this theory had also been confirmed by American and Canadian Slavists.

In this context he resolutely and completely rejected a thesis of some historians and the belief that the Croats are of Slavic descent.

Surprises for visitors at the news conference were not exhausted. Namely, Biondic informed them of the presumption that Mihovil Lovric, Andrija-Zeljko Lovric's father, was murdered in 1976 because of his thesis on the Iranian origin of Croats!!

Two days after the news conference, the book "Indo-Iranian Origin of Croats" was presented, in which Mate Marcinko collected a score of his texts which he had published in various magazines and papers for 30 years under various pseudonyms. One of them was Horoathos Harahuvat."
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Post Icon Posted: Oct 28th, 2007 at 06:38 am

It's uncommon in Iran.

Oct 27th, 2007 at 09:41 am, tankistabg wrote:


As you see its most common in Croatia and Bosna, and then in Ucraine/moldova(red Croatia). It is also strongly presented in Bulgaria and the bulgarian Macedonia(FYROM).
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Oct 28th, 2007 at 06:38 am, intland wrote:
It's uncommon in Iran.

Oct 27th, 2007 at 09:41 am, tankistabg wrote:


As you see its most common in Croatia and Bosna, and then in Ucraine/moldova(red Croatia). It is also strongly presented in Bulgaria and the bulgarian Macedonia(FYROM).

possible. Can I have a look at your sourse. Smiley
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